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Unread January 15th, 2013, 11:32 AM
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Default Any Vietnam A-6 Intruder

Do you have any plans for any A-6 Vietnam stuff?
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Unread January 15th, 2013, 07:29 PM
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Quite possibly. Ive been slowly gathering refs. If anyone has any they'd like to share, I'd love to see them.
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Unread January 24th, 2013, 05:05 AM
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Hi, Geoff.

You may be aware that one of the latest (if not the latest) title in the Osprey combat aircraft series is "A-6 Intruder units of the Vietnam war".
Always good to get some ideas.
I'll get mine in March when I see Tony Holmes.

If you do a Vietnam A-6 sheet, it would be a shame to leave out VA-196.
I'm not aware of genuine Vietnam decals for VA-196 in any scale, not even on the rather comprehensive sheet in Fujimi's 1/72 A-6A kit.
VA-196 together with VA-165 did the greatest number of Vietnam Intruder cruises: five.
I think they lost the highest number of A-6's in action.
Maybe it's because the markings are fairly simple and quite similar to VA-196's post war A-6E's and KA-6D's that nobody ever did them?

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Hey Stefan,
I do have the Osprey book, and I have quite a few ideas for a really cool sheet. I do see however that other outfits have plans for A-6s as well. I probably wouldn't release mine until later in the year. We'll see.
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Unread January 24th, 2013, 07:19 PM
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Hey Stefan,
I do have the Osprey book, and I have quite a few ideas for a really cool sheet. I do see however that other outfits have plans for A-6s as well. I probably wouldn't release mine until later in the year. We'll see.
Hi, Geoff.

I'm sure it'll be worth waiting for. And you know I have a couple of F-4's, F-8's and A-4's to build. And that's without mentioning the F3H's and F4D's.

Here's another esoteric subject I'd be interested in. Sorry, I don't have refs...I'm not sure they even exist.
VMA(AW)-224 became famous for the mining of North Vietnamese ports during the 1972 Coral Sea cruise. I can build one of their A-6A's with the Impact Decals sheet. They also had a couple of A-6B's with them.
I have read that they had a large supply of the latest, deadliest, version of the AGM-78 and that they had the opportunity to use them against sites that had been off-limits before. They used them all up.
They were in the right place at the right time to make maximum use of the A-6B/AGM-78 combination.
I have never seen a photograph of an A-6B in VMA(AW)-224 markings and I suppose they would have been treated as top secret in those days.

A tough nut to crack, but it would certainly set the sheet apart.
I'm not even aware of any aftermarket decals ever for an A-6B, from any squadron.

Cheers, Stefan;
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Unread January 24th, 2013, 10:20 PM
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we did get a couple of the A-6B squadrons in 1/72, but, I don't know of any in 1/48

there is a photo of A-6B Mod 0 NL-517 in the updated In Action book, but, it is only of the nose and canopy area,,,,,,,,you can see the missile mission marks on it, though

maybe that helps somewhat, I don't know
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Unread January 27th, 2013, 04:43 AM
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Thanks, Rex.

So, it looks as if they may have given the B-models some of the highest modex numbers in the squadron.

Cheers, Stefan.
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yes, they are numbered "up above the tankers"

I know that in one of the paperback books on the Intruder, there is a description in the text of that deployment, but, I cannot find it right now. In it, the author tells us which USN Squadron gave the aircraft to -224,,,,,,,that deployment was one of those were the A-6Bs were repainted aboard the ship after someone else went home,,,,,,I might be wrong, but, it might have been VA-196.

I only mention this because if you can find out which squadron it was for sure, you might find their BuNo list for the deployment, and then those would be the same BuNo for -224, GoNavy only lists one of the A-6B BuNo, I think
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Unread January 29th, 2013, 09:10 AM
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Hi, Rex.

I've looked up the Coral Sea deployments in René Francillion's Gulf of Tonkin yacht Club book. The return from the previous cruise was over a year before the '71-'72 cruise left. So far I have found nothing of the ship leaving Alameda with anyone but VMA(AW)-224 as A-6 squadron, but I'll keep looking.

We are in the same boat when it comes to having read something about VMA(AW)-224 on that cruise in a paperback we don't have at hand.
Mine was not about the A-6 specifically, but I remember something about the squadron not being too keen to go. Maybe the bit of chaos described there includes something about last minute aircraft swaps.

It was somewhere else that I read about them doing well with the A-6B.

Cheers, Stefan.
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sorry for being unclear

I didn't mean that -224 got their aircraft from the squadron that came home on Coral Sea,,,,,,,,that happened all the time back then, seemingly at random when you view it from today, lol

I meant that the aircraft were transferred from *__________ (*Kittyhawk, Enterprise, Connie, etc) as she returned after her deployment, and added to -224 on board the Coral Sea, so that they had A-6Bs for their deployment

I am not sure, but, I think it said they got the A-6Bs and the Tankers that way

sort of a reverse of the events in the group photo of VF-96 and VF-92 on Enterprise with Marines on the rear fuselage and some of the aircraft still in almost full Marines markings,,,,,,,,,when the carrier came home, they swapped all of their "better" airframes with the VMFA-323's "worst" airframes

it was like the "mating up with equipment" concept, except instead of arriving in theatre and meeting up with your aircraft, you met up with part of them while passing at sea
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Passing aircraft and equipment from carrier to carrier is called "cross decking" and was common up to the late 80's. Aircraft aren't cross decked that much now a days but it does happen from time to time.

My first cruise, we cross deck half our test sets to the carrier relieving us.
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Hi Gents,

Does anyone know which version of the A-6B VMA (AW)-224 used? Mod 0, PAT/ARM or (unlikely) Mod 1.

Also any photos of their tail markings?

Cheers, Harold
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Hi Gents,

Does anyone know which version of the A-6B VMA (AW)-224 used? Mod 0, PAT/ARM or (unlikely) Mod 1.

Also any photos of their tail markings?

Cheers, Harold
Hi, Harold.

Do you mean VMA (AW)-224's tail markings for the cruise, or just the B-models? I figure they would have had the same markings on the A-6A, A-6B and KA-6D.
I think I've only seen a photo of the forward half of one of their A-6B's.

I'll look if I can find anything on the version.

Cheers, Stefan.
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149957 was one of their A-6B, so, they were A-6B Mod 0, that was the version with 4 antennae, and none of the little bottle cap buttons on the nose or tail (they later became Mod 0/1s)
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Obscureco does a 1/72nd Mod 1 nose for the Fujimi kit.

I have a book, Iron Hand, that discusses the units that used the A-6B in Vietnam somewhat, including VMA (AW)-224. Sounds like they became a premier Iron Hand unit and STARM user experts.

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