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Hey Whitey,
What decals do you have? In researching Showtime 100 the decals that are in the ZM J kit have a couple of errors... I was able to get the markings I need from a Furball sheet that had the Vietnamese Flag kill markings that were in the splitter plate before they painted the MiG-21 silhouette on the vertical stab! I using Matthew Waki as the source for the markings and the loadout. I'd be interested in what your markings show.
Let me know.
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Hey Whitey,
What decals do you have? In researching Showtime 100 the decals that are in the ZM J kit have a couple of errors... I was able to get the markings I need from a Furball sheet that had the Vietnamese Flag kill markings that were in the splitter plate before they painted the MiG-21 silhouette on the vertical stab! I using Matthew Waki as the source for the markings and the loadout. I'd be interested in what your markings show.
Let me know.
I have the Yellowhammer sheet, touted as "The ONLY ACCURATE markings available for the famous mount of Randy Cunningham and Willie Driscoll...", which has the MiG-21 on the stab. According the the write up in the instructions it HAD the MiG-21 on the stab during the May 10, '72 engagements. I don't know for sure if it did or not. Funny enough, it is on the decal, but not on the placement diagram illustrations. The sheet also does not have the kill flags???
I have a print out of Matt Waki's illustration and the write up he has also, which includes the loadout for that day. I tend to believe what he has written over the Yellowhammer info.
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If you get to the point where you're going to build Showtime 100 let me know and I'll shoot the flag decals for the splitter plate to you.....the sheet I purchased from Furball has extras!
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If you get to the point where you're going to build Showtime 100 let me know and I'll shoot the flag decals for the splitter plate to you.....the sheet I purchased from Furball has extras!

OK, I'll hit you up for them!
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Whitey....I am 99% sure you have the wrong stabilizers on the jet. The kit instructions are wrong. They should be the unslotted ones.
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Painted some metal ,masked wheel wells, speed brake wells and painted them. Did a little more messing with shading with a brown/black mix. Next up is an oil wash and on to decals!











Did a quick test fit of the stabs;


Dude. Superb work so far.
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Whitey....I am 99% sure you have the wrong stabilizers on the jet. The kit instructions are wrong. They should be the unslotted ones.

ARGGGGG....just saw your post here.

Can anyone else confirm if these birds had unslotted stabs? No biggie if they do, I still have the other set in the box, I'll just need to paint them up.

Also, since this particular bombing mission took place in March of '67...was "SCAT XVII" even painted on the jet yet?? Did he make it his "personal jet" yet?
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In the US Air Force Museum, they have the F-4C of Colonel Olds, tail # 829. It's stated on the descriptive placard that it is the actual aircraft that he used to shoot down 2 Mig-17s in May, 1967. It does not have a slotted stabilizer - it has the solid one. I'd post pictures, but IMGUR hasn't become quite my friend yet...
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In the US Air Force Museum, they have the F-4C of Colonel Olds, tail # 829. It's stated on the descriptive placard that it is the actual aircraft that he used to shoot down 2 Mig-17s in May, 1967. It does not have a slotted stabilizer - it has the solid one. I'd post pictures, but IMGUR hasn't become quite my friend yet...
Yup, I see plenty of photos on line of it...should have checked those prior to believing the Academy instructions...more than one disparity throughout.

On to painting new stabs.
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What color Alclads did you use for the rear NMF heat shield area?
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For the Steel Mill mission (March '67), I'd put the SCAT markings on it, since he flew that jet, but leave off the two red stars since that didn't happen till May.

Still - it looks really nice - whatever you do with the stabs.
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For the Steel Mill mission (March '67), I'd put the SCAT markings on it, since he flew that jet, but leave off the two red stars since that didn't happen till May.

Still - it looks really nice - whatever you do with the stabs.
Yeah, the stars didn't appear until just immediately after the May 20 mission. Word I have is that it was after that, that "829" became his "personal jet" since he got the kills in it...and that "SCAT XVII" was painted on at some point after that (September '67 some say).

So, I think I'll just leave it with just the squadron insignia on the forward fuselage, no crew names, no stars.
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Col. Olds' aircraft should not have the slotted stabs. The Air Force did not, to the best of my knowledge, retrofit the F-4C and D aircraft with them. Many Navy and Marine F-4B and N aircraft were retrofitted with them. It sure is going to be a good looking Phantom !
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Well, thank you all again for the heads up. Once again, reference pics before instruction sheets! It's a rainy Saturday here in the east, might as well be at the bench painting up some stabs.

Also, this is what's great about on line forums...you get info, techniques, and tips free of charge
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Alright, feel like I'm in the home stretch on this thing. After applying about a jazillion stencils, and getting a flat coat on, I started into some weathering. Photos of this actual jet show a lot of paint chipping, sometimes that doesn't translate to a model so I'm trying to find a balance I guess...









On another note, I painted up the proper horizontal stabilizers and got them attached, along with the burner cans.



On to painting up the weapons load and getting the landing gear finished up.
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Hey Whitey,
The paint work looks stellar! Nice job!
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Wow !! Very subtle weathering ! Well done !!
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Out of fear of them not fitting the 2 Academy phantoms I've done I painted, installed, then masked the engines which is a bit of a bear. How hard was it to get them installed after assembling the fuselage?
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Out of fear of them not fitting the 2 Academy phantoms I've done I painted, installed, then masked the engines which is a bit of a bear. How hard was it to get them installed after assembling the fuselage?
Hey Spook, sorry for the late reply. It wasn't difficult at all to fit them after assembly, they just slip on in. The biggest thing to watch out for is them falling inside the fuselage.

If I did it that way again, I'd probably place a piece of plastic inside for the engine assembly to butt up against to give me a more positive stop location.
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