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Unread May 8th, 2017, 02:18 PM
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Thank you! Guess I'll just wait for the C/D to come out
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Thank you! Guess I'll just wait for the C/D to come out
ZM have just shown C and D in Shizuoka: http://hobby.dengeki.com/event/381679/
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and no correction to te rear fuselage...
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Can't wait for the C/D!
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I wouldn't expect them to fix any short nosed F-4. By the time they do the long nose E/F/G is where I'd bet they throw the fix into...

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and no correction to te rear fuselage...
I haven't built any of the 2 J's I bought but is it really THAT bad? All I've read and heard is that these are the best tooled Phantom kits out there and now I keep hearing about the rear fuselage with people basically ensuing that they will never buy another one until it's fixed.
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I'm with you Whisky.....what's the issue with the rear fuselage?
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The curvature of the rear fuselage where it widens up for the engines/burner cans is off. The hard "line" that delineates between the spine and the larger part of the fuselage extends too far back. I notice it whenever someone posts a photo... I mean, it's clearly a hosed shape, but its hard for me to see when I don't have the correct thing to compare it to.
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The curvature of the rear fuselage where it widens up for the engines/burner cans is off. The hard "line" that delineates between the spine and the larger part of the fuselage extends too far back. I notice it whenever someone posts a photo... I mean, it's clearly a hosed shape, but its hard for me to see when I don't have the correct thing to compare it to.
Unless it's something that is so noticeable that everyone can clearly see that there is a fault in the engineering of this kit, build them! I wanna see what you all can do...
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Despite this flaw, the kit really just kills the competition. Every 48th F-4 has issues of some sort but we all work past em. I only notice the ZM error without paint. A few swipes of some sandpaper and paint go a long way to fixing this one at least halfway. The C/D's are the ones I've been waiting for the most...

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Between the "5800" and the "VF-96".



Compared with a similar angle on the real jet.

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So the slope on the model is more prominent that the actual aircraft is what everyone is saying? I look at that comparison Chris and I can see it seems to be more flat in the area you pointed out...
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The engine is mounted at an angle in the fuselage (engine not parallel to the fuselage). The black F-4 in the pictures from VX-4 show's it pretty well. The entire word NAVY is where the fuselage (at top) is the same quarter circle as the engine mounted inside. The "line" is visible because the picture is overexposed (to much light so it turn to white). You can see the line starting at the top of the N and ending to the left of the top of the Y. The big white overexposed spot between the the N from NAVY and the letters VX-4 is the "problem" spot. On the kit its to "bulged", it should be more down, more hugging the circle of the engine underneath.
Between the last to pictures (top kit, bottom VMFA-122 DC) its also pretty visible. On the real jet the word MARINES you can see that starting at the top of the letter I to the end (NES) the top "falls away". While the first letter M is almost flat the last letter S is completely bent in the middle. On the model only the Y in NAVY bent's and this is only slightly en much to late.
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I have some Hasegawa and Academy F-4s and the Academy is far superior.
Academy F-4's came with bad injection on the vertical tail and on the botton wings, shame because I liked the fine detais, cockpits, seats. And even asking for replacement parts they came with the very same bad injection too !!!
I have heard the ZM F-4's have some problem shape at rear fuselage to engine naceles but I would like to see more comments on before I decide on this expensive F-4



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Default Here is where the problem exists. No red lines to look at though

Everyone's mileage may be different but I can see the problem right away.

If you look at a British K/M rear fuselage it appears that is what they may have looked at to get the shape. So, for short nosed variants they may want to do them British birds next...

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Great visualization Larry, thanks!

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Everyone's mileage may be different but I can see the problem right away.


Now do the same with the ZM radome base cross section. There are still some who don't see a problem with it's shape.


To make it clear: I like the ZM F-4 very much - just received the F-4S kit two days ago and it's great. But the problems with shape of radome base and rear fuselage are quite obvious for me. I plan to improve the fuselage shape and just accept the radome issue.

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Not good enough...............
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Thanks, but those pics don't tell much and cannot be compared to the real jet photos directly, because your camera was significantly above the axis of kit radomes. So you cannot see the outline of the bottom of the radome base. You would have to put your camera lower, so that the tip of radome is more or less at the center of the radome base - as in the real F-4 photo.
Then you would be able to notice that Z-M radome is noticeably wider than all the others.
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