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Default Intruders and Prowlers and Growlers, oh my! 03NOV13

I beg a little forgiveness, well actually a lot of forgiveness. First, we join this thread already in progress, so there is a lot of ground to cover. I'll post the current progress in three parts.
Second, I need to tell this tale to explain how in the world this build got out of control.

It all began innocently enough when a good friend, let's call him Tony M, not to be confused with PIF my Project Instigator Friend (Scott W), mentioned that he had in his closet, a kit of an aircraft he had worked on when he started his service with the Navy Reserves. He had heard from a mutual friend (here enters my infamous Project Instigator Friend) that I occasionally build models for friends. Could I build a model of one of the EA-6As that he worked on while serving with VAQ-209? Since I was looking for something a bit less challenging than the recently completed CASA movie star series, I agreed. As I already had a kit of an A-6E in my stash, I would even waive my usual fee of supplying me with a second kit for my collection. Two models to build, no problem……

A couple weeks later we were out for dinner with our wives, and the conversation turned naturally enough to airplanes. Here is where things began to go awry. TM thanked me for agreeing to build the EA-6A but wished that there was a kit of the aircraft he worked on for the majority of his career, the EA-6B Prowler. I told him that such a kit did exist, but was relatively expensive.

Never underestimate the connection between a maintainer and HIS aircraft! Soon the call came, "I found two of those Kinetic Prowlers, if I get them both, will you build one for me?" Oh sure, I'll probably never buy one of those for myself, it's a deal and thank you! So now I have 4 models to build of very similar types, should be fairly easy.

VAQ-209 Star Warriors is based at Andrews Air Force Base just outside Washington DC, not far from where TM and I work. He thought that with both of us working for the FAA and he being a former Star Warrior we should be able to arrange a visit to obtain reference pictures. Would I be interested? Uhhh yeah, I might at that!

The Squadron showed us the utmost hospitality, the maintainers positioning scaffolding for us, one of the aircrew spending most of the morning with us, and the CO himself acting as our escort for a time! Perhaps the fact that we are both former air traffic controllers and worked the squadron in and out of ADW for many years helped. Skipper and I spent some time talking airplanes; turns out the Prowlers are due to be replaced soon by EA-18Gs. My comment that the departure of the big Grumman was notable in light of the type's long service history was the turning point between reason and this project.

That's when Skipper appealed to the historian in me, would I be willing to be part of preserving the Star Warriors legacy by building a display for the Squadron? Tony M (who I think was trying to take over the role of Project Instigator ) offered to supply the kits, and wouldn't it be great if we could find some EA-18G kits, and if I was going to build one for the squadron, we could all have one. So this makes how many? How hard can it be? But how could I turn that down!

The final line up, as seen below is:
Three EA-6A (Revell), Four EA-6B (two Kinetic, two Italeri), Three EA-18A (Italeri), One A-6E (Revell). Note: two of the -6As have been combined in one box, two EA-18s yet to arrive




Some aftermarket to spruce up some of the weak points.



Let's get started! A motor tool and files were used to open up the engine bay cooling intakes on the Revell EA-6As .





Wish me luck, this project is gonna be a challenge!

Some of the Intruders and Prowlers will be displayed with FOD covers in place, and some not. Widely noted is that the kit supplied intakes are too shallow, and a number of aftermarket replacements are available. We were unable to get enough of the OOP Seamless Sucker,s so we ordered sets by AMS and SBMR from the normal model supply houses. Preparing the Intruders and Prowlers that will not have FOD covers, I came upon the first issue. On inspection there seemed to be some discrepancy as to size of the fans. A quick check of references showed the diameter of a J52 engine as used in the Intruders and Prowlers should have a diameter of 38 inches. Seamless Suckers scaled out pretty close, but the other fans and ducts are a bit undersized as seen below. The intake portion of the AMS and SBMR, to me look very good, needing only the small flat step to be added to fit the Prowlers.



Closely inspecting the Seamless Suckers I thought I noticed a difference in height between the left and right intakes. Getting out the calipers (I'm not normally a retentive rivet counter but asymmetry drives me nuts!) I found indeed a difference in exterior and interior measurements. The difference doesn't seem like much but is apparent when seen in position on the model. The fan faces and deeper parts of the intakes are very close if not identical to each other.






The question now is what to do, I have one set of fans and ducts of the proper diameter, and 4 sets of good intakes. I have some ideas, I'm going to try out a prototype this week. I'll get a report out as soon as I see how well it works

Not a lot of progress to show, but I think a plan has developed. After about a week of deliberation I think I have a reasonable solution to the problem of the intakes, ducts, and fan size issue.
One Intruder and one Prowler fuselage is being used to test fit, clearances and to determine the proper alignment of the duct to the intake. When all is finalized, my plan is to make molds and cast duplicates for the rest of the models.

As the SS set has a fan of the proper diameter, I started there. I cut off the intakes ( I can heat the cry now: "You did WHAT!!!! ) only to find the ducts, like the intakes were different in size.


With files and sandpaper I refined and matched the interior profiles. Test fitting into the fuselages revealed a number of clearance issues. The exterior of the ducts were refined with a motor tool and files to resolve the fit. Quite a bit of excess material was removed, there is not a lot of room in that section with the ducts, nose gear well and cockpit all competing for space.


The SS intakes have a significant mis-match in size left and right, inspecting the other aftermarket sets, I chose the AMS intakes as to my eyes they seem to have the best exterior shapes and are well matched left to right. The ducting and fans supplied with this set are seriously undersized with the result the shape of the intake's transition to the duct is much too abrupt. The trick will be to match this to the front of the refined SS ductwork. Excess material at the top and bottom will be filed to match, the inboard side tapers much too sharply and had to filled. I used epoxy seen here to add material which will be shaped with files.
Here are the new components ready for final fitting.


That's all for now, I at least have what seems to be a workable plan. For the Star Warriors following this build, I should be able to get some more progress yet this weekend, I'll let you know how it goes!

To accommodate the tapered interior and exterior of the patterns a two piece mold is needed. A few castings were pulled and at first glance didn't seem too bad with just a bit of cleanup needed.




As I proceeded to check the fit I noted a few areas that could use some improvement. The castings were a little rougher than I expected and the fitting work ended up shortening the intakes enough to distort the profile. Choosing the best set of castings, I corrected the length by epoxying a styrene spacer to the back of the intakes which also helped create a truly flat surface.


The ducts interior were also refined and soon a improved set of patterns were complete. This weekend I hope to get a set of molds made up and start casting. If the castings turn out well I will use them on all the Intruders and Prowlers.


The Intruder cockpits need quite a bit of work to bring them to an acceptable level of detail. The kit seats will be replaced by the beautiful Aries aftermarket sets, so the first order of business was to remove the molded-in seat bottoms from the cockpit tubs. This left a fairly good sized hole in the tub that was filled with styrene, the bulkhead had grossly over sized 'seat rails' molded in that were also rmoved. The equipment well in the shelf behind the cockpit is represented by unconvincing, shallow soft detail. I removed this and replaced the 'bottom' with sheet styrene.






The Prowler cockpit tubes are pretty good starting points and after attaching the bulkheads, both sets of cockpits are ready to start receiving some additional styrene details


Once past this stage I'm anticipating (and hoping ) the builds will become a bit more straight forward!

For those following this build, particularly the members of VAQ-209, my apologies for the delay in getting an update posted. As usual, I had a slight setback. A sufficient number of castings for the intakes, ducts and fans had been made and clean-up work began. Squadron green filler was applied to small imperfections just before stopping work for the night. The next day I continued with the intention of sanding smooth the filler only to discover to my discomfort the filler had remained soft after having almost a full day to dry! I'll admit to some consternation and disappointment at this point! :badmood: What in the world caused this?!? Then it struck me, I had used the same resin for the Battle of Britain CASA 2.111 build that resulted in the saga of the plastic eating resin!

To make a long story somewhat shorter,by this time the molds were also showing signs of wearing out. A new set of molds were made up and casting began using a different resin. With the new resin, the castings look good and no issues have risen so far. ray:






When it came time to begin work on the cockpits, it became clear that the kit parts of the Prowlers and Intruders needed a lot of work to be acceptable for models that were going to represent the VAQ-209's history. The EA-18Gs were totally unacceptable. I am not one to turn immediately to aftermarket details but the amount of work it would take to improve multiple cockpits of each type would be prohibitive. Fortunately my project partner offered to supply sets of the the excellent Aries cockpits for the Prowlers and Growlers. Thank you TM! :angel: We have been unable to locate sets for the Intruders so some scratch building will be necessary, but the work load now is reasonable.




In the meantime the fuselages, wings and tails were removed from the sprues. When I realized it took be over 30 minutes the scope of this project became apparent! :blink2: Here are the major components layed out, note that only the top surfaces of the wings are displayed!

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You're doing a huge amount of work! Having built some squadron histories, let me just warn you that you are putting in a ton of work that may not last. Models have a tendency to "grow legs" and walk off. Even if they don't, most guys won't appreciate all the resin you're putting in. They will probably go in some kind of display case until the squadron moves. Then it's all bets off on if they survive. You might be more fortunate with VAQ-209, as they don't deploy that much and tend to stay in the same place. I'm not trying to be a downer. I just want to prepare you for what may very well happen down the line. I started off putting a ton of work into the models, and ended up doing "nice" looking models because that's all they really needed.
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D-Rob, Thank you for the heads up, I have a couple of models that have been part of museum collection and can verify everything you've said. Out of the 11 kits being built, 3 will go on display at the squadron, (one each EA-6A, EA-6B, and EA-18G)the rest will remain with Tony and myself. Skipper's plan is to eventually put the squadrons models on display at the Naval Museum.
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That makes a difference. If only three are for the squadron, then the rest is worth it when it's for you and a friend. I'm just about done with VFA-41's display. I have one more model to go. I broke my rule and converted the Testor's F2H-2 into a -3. That required WAY more work than I should have done, because the guys wouldn't know the difference between them. But like you, the historian in me just couldn't let it go! You've got a great start on the kits. Keep it going. Just don't let them convince you to build models for the aircrew. Man does that get old fast!
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I thought I was bad when I have three on the bench going at once, this is unreal!
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Looks like you are going to be busy for a while.... Good luck
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Thank you for the kind comments We continue with part 2.

Long overdue for an update, I blame the delay entirely on AMS and a miscalculation on the part of the manufacturer of the custom built intake/duct sets.( whomever that might be ). As installation began on the first Intruder, when the duct was matched to the intake I noticed the well for the boarding ladder appeared to be very shallow. Investigation revealed that I had not moved the interior of the duct far enough inboard to allow for the boarding ladder well. Drat!

I needed open ladders (another long story with which I won't bore you) so with no other recourse I modified the masters, made new molds and recast the intakes. The increased depth of the outside wall can be seen here comparing a first and second casting.


The back of the well for the boarding ladder is also the outside of the duct. The duct casting's walls were too thick so a motor tool was used to thin the wall to a more appropriate thickness.




Clean up and painting of the intake/duct/fan units then proceeded fairly quickly at that point and finally as seen here a sufficient number of sets are ready for installation!








As I only discovered my error after the initial production run, I now a few extra intakes suitable for closed ladder display!


Turning to the EA-18s, inspection of the kit parts quickly dashed any hopes that these supplied ducts and fan sections were acceptable. The ducts taper too fast leading to miniscule fans and are much too short. An online search for pictures also revealed the prominent vent seen on the outside of the intake did not have a gaping opening on the inside of the intake but appeared to terminate in a perforated strip on the inside wall. Some work was going to be required here. Now there's something different for one of my projects.

How to address this new challenge? Unable to find aftermarket intake specific to the Italeri Super Hornet, I ordered 3 sets of Two Mikes intakes designed for the Hasegawa kit to use as a starting point. It was only after I submitted the order that I read the notice on the website (It was hidden in large,bold, red type at the top of the first page) that Two Mikes was going to be unable to fill orders until February. As the work on the intakes needed to be completed early in the construction sequence, I needed the parts asap! I placed a call to Mike and pleaded my case to the answering machine. 30 minutes later I received a text message from Mike! Explaining the build as being part of a presentation to VAQ-209 and I needed the intakes to continue with the build Mike graciously offered to ship my order by that Friday! A big Thank You to Two Mikes and a plug for excellent service!
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Beautifully cast, the intakes were designed for the Hasegawa kits and therefore needed to be converted for use in the Italeri. The inboard section of the kit duct was cut at the point that matched the dimensions of the Two Mikes part. Careful trimming and fitting yielded a fairly good fit the the forward portions of the kit intakes.




Styrene sheet was used to form the inboard and outboard wall and shims.


The intakes were epoxied into place earlier today and are curing as I write.

The Italeri kits although capturing the shape and outline well, were based on the prototype EA-18G and have a number of features that differ from the production versions. First are a number and style of vents on the underside of the fuselage. These were filled and modified with styrene to better represent the later configuration.


After


Simple process, just repeat three times!


Next will be the ECS vents and the rest of the changes to the later configuration.

A bit more progress to report as well as the discovery of yet more work to be done. The Revell EA-6A kit is based on the their A-6 molds, understandable as the EA-6A airframe is based on the Intruder. The Revell kit has included the external armor seen on the engine bays of the Intruders which in my research I noted are not always present on the EA-6A. The pictures I found of VAQ-209 aircraft did not appear to have the armor. Hoping to avoid additional work I called TM (whom you may recall was the instigator of this saga) who confirmed that he never saw the armor on the EA-6As.
My initial idea was to simply grind off the armor but found the wall was joggled behind the armor section, probably to avoid shrinkage issues. I then resorted to cutting the armor panel out, using a styrene sheet as a backer to stabilize the area and forming a filler panel from more styrene matching the thickness of the kit wall.






This was repeated for the three EA-6As in the build.


The raised panel lines were removed and appropriate panels scribed. A tape template was used as a guide for the access panels on the nose to help keep consistency.





I find scribing to be somewhat time consuming but fortunately I have a pleasant place to work which allows me to be with the family.




The Italieri EA-18s have not been ignored, a few pieces of styrene strip were used to better represent the unique intakes on the lower aft engine bays.


My modifications to fit the ducts into the Italieri kits needed a bit of filler and shaping to match the intakes. Although a bit tedious, the results are satisfactory. A few minor tweaks and they should be ready for final paint.


Just a quick update to reassure faithful followers that I haven't gone completely bonkers (yet ) and progress continues on the production line. Work has shifted to the Growlers as the production manager has, well burned out on the big Grummans :frantic:
As previously noted, the Italeri kits capture the shape of the EA-18G well but were based on the prototype EA-18G and have a number of details that differ from the production versions.
The ECS vents need to be change to the later types. Fortunately the later boxing includes a small sprue containing the later ECS vents and fairings. Unfortunately I had 2 of the earlier kits and 1 of the later, so a mold was made and copies cast.
The early vents were removed with a motor tool and file,s and a styrene plug shaped and glued into place.
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The late ECS vents are located forward of the early so the new location was opened up and a sheet of styrene attached to the inside to act a 'floor' to shim the replacement vents to match the surface of the fuselage
Here one of the kit and a casting ECS vent are test fitted to the new location



The scribing for the engine access bays are not correct for the Growler so they were filled and rescribed. A template was used to help keep the scribing consistent on the three models.




The intakes have been filled and are ready for paint, I hope to have that done by next update as well as the first installation of the intakes on the Intruders and Prowlers.

Just time for a quick update to let y'all know the project is still moving forward.

The EA-18 intakes are finally finished. The Two Mikes intakes are beautifully molded, but as I was using them in a kit they were not designed for I needed to do a bit of trimming and filling. Now that the work is finished I can get the fuselage halves assembled.


The fan faces will be barely visible!


Repeat 3 times!


Like the vents and engine access bays on the bottom of the fuselage, a few corrections are needed on the top to correctly represent the production Growlers. Most of these have been documented in the previous update, the last task is to install the poorly fitting speed brakes. Because of the complex contours I decided not to try and make new ones, but to fill and rescribe. Here the poor fit can be seen before filling.


The vents on the sides of the intakes contain internal vanes, these were built up from thin styrene and installed.


They add a nice bit of interest compared the the empty vent.


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WOW!!! Amazing build thread...Please keep it coming
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It looks like a real assembly line!!!!
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Thank you all for your interest. With this installation, we bring the Growlers up to date.....

Finishing the work needed to adapt the excellent Two Mikes intakes (designed for the Hasegawa kit) into the Italeri kit allowed me to add the engine faces and close up the fuselage.

The rework of the inside of the intake ducts required the forward fuselage to be custom fit. A thin styrene shim and a bit of filling did the trick nicely. The result looks fairly good.







Its nice to see the engine faces line up with the nozzles, verification that the ducts are at least close to being aligned properly!


Simply repeat three times!


The fit along the sides was a bit disappointing and needed a bit of filler and sanding. This of course means more scribing to replace the lost detail.


Speaking of scribing, the ill-fit of the speed brakes were fixed with styrene strips and filler then rescribed. Panel lines lost on the top of the aft fuselage caused by relocating the ECS vents were also re-scribed. It appeared these details were originally raised while the rest of the kit contained recessed.


On the Grumman side of the factory floor, the removal of the armor from the engine access doors on the Intruders is complete. A bit of scribing yet to do (will it ever end?!? ) and long the awaited installation of the custom intakes and ducts can begin.



Still focusing on the Super Hornets, vanes have been added to the interior of the upper fuselage boundary layer control vents.



The EA-18G is not equipped with an internal gun, and therefore does not have the gas vents. The Italeri kit based on the F version, vents molded into on the bottom of the nose and even though they are rather indistinct, they needed filling. Small rectangles of styrene were cut to fit and with a bit of filler and file work, were soon eradicated.


As regular followers may recall, one of the EA-18 kits I obtained was a later release that included a small sprue containing late ECS vents, and a number of lumps and bumps unique to the G version. The bulge on the spine did not, to my eyes, capture the true shape. Since I needed three of them, a bit of styrene and file work soon produced a reasonable representation.






An aluminum tube was installed in the fuselage in the proper location to accept matching tubes that will be added to the tail control surfaces. These will simply plug into the socket at the end of construction.




To fit the beautiful Aires cockpits (designed for the Hasegawa kit) to the Italeri required some very careful thinning of the cockpit tubs themselves as well as the cockpit side walls.


Strip styrene was used to form the sill that also served as a stop to assist in installing the tub.








Because of the construction sequence, the cockpit tubes needed to be epoxied into place to allow the lower forward fuselage to be installed, which needs to be in place before the LEX bottoms can be glued in, which will allow the shoulder slots to be placed, finally allowing attaching the wings!

I know I promised an update on the Intruders/Prowlers, but as the Growlers began to show progress it gave me a much needed boost of encouragement so I continued through the attaching of the wings.

At this point the challenging fit of the kit became apparent. The sequence began with the installation of the lower forward fuselage. The well for the boarding ladder was boxed in prior to adding the bottom of the LEX surfaces. In order to have a consistent gap between the bottom of the LEX and the intakes, a bit of shimming was needed.




After the lower LEX surface was in place, the block forming the unique shoulder slot was next. The outer point suffered damage during earlier construction and was repaired with styrene strip. The block was trimmed and shimmed into position focused on getting a consistent slot. The slot was fine tuned with styrene strips and judicious file and sandpaper work.










The lower surfaces of the wings are molded integral with the fuselage, locking in the anhedral. Unfortunately the angle is correct for a Harrier and not a Super Hornet! Taking a deep breath, the use of hot water, firm finger pressure carefully applied, and lots of checking with references got the anhedral sorted out with no damage to the existing structure.
When parked, the bleed down of hydraulic pressure invariably causes the flaps and leading edges on the Super Bug to droop. This of course means yet more modifications. The flaps, ailerons and gap flaps were cut off and set aside. The leading edges were drooped by cutting a slot on the bottom side with a razor saw and bending the section down into the resulting gap.


The upper surface of the wings were attached. The EA-18G leading edge has a small fillet at the juncture of inner and outer sections. This was fabricated with styrene, glued into place and shaped with files.


Much filling and sanding ensued, and more scribing to bring the basic airframe to the point where a coat of primer could be applied.








That's all for now, I think I've now grown a bit tired of the Growlers and the next update will show progress on the Intruders/Prowlers. You can trust me, I work for the government!

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Outstanding! Love this work in progress. Few builds can be described as epic but the magnitude of this one means its about the only way to describe it!
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With this final 'catch up' installment, we reach the current state of the project.

For hearty souls still interested and those Star Warrior squadron members following this build, some progress to report. The fuselages have been scribed, and the halves joined. The locating tab on the stabilators was removed and a hinge tube installed in the fuselage. During this process I discovered a small mismatch in location of the stabilators in the kit moldings, the left side being mounted higher than the right. The slots were filled with styrene and the tube installed at the correct location.


As these models would be displayed together, and I wanted there to be a definite relationship between the types so I took the opportunity while rescribing to match the common panels with the Kinetic Prowlers. Noting they agreed reasonably well with references. I dutifully copied the panel line locations of the Kinetic kits. A template was made to copy the two panels on the aft fuselage just in front of the stabilators, only to discover (after completing the scribing of course) an error in the Kinetic kits. Contrary to the moldings, the right side of the fuselage should have a single access panel, with two on the left! More filling and rescribing followed.






I have a measure of success to report. The Intruder intakes and ducts have been installed! The massive intakes are a defining characteristic of the Intruder, and he shallow ducts and undersized fans of the kits (and many of the aftermarket replacements) did not capture the powerful look of the Intruder. A not insubstantial amount of time and effort has been expanded in producing a more accurate set of intakes, ducts and fans to capture this look. The kit required quite a bit of modification to prepare for the intakes, a motor tool being used to remove enough plastic to allow the installation of ducts. The Revell kit was designed for the left ladder to be displayed open, as I wanted both ladders open and wanted them consistent, I removed the somewhat crudely molded steps as well as opening up the right intake steps.










After the intakes had been installed, the ducting was epoxied into place being careful to obtain the proper position for the fan sections.


A contour gage was then used to help fabricate the aft ladder well bulkhead. A bit of clean up and then on to installing the cockpits.




Not a lot of room in the nose, components need to be properly sized and carefully placed.




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Great googly moogly!

A while I back, I attempted to simultaneously build a EA-6A, A-6E TRAM, and A-6E. I FAILED miserably!

Seeing you do this multiple kits, multiple times is simply gob-smacking!
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Are you insane? You might be after this! This is stellar work! My jaw is just on my key board. Anything with A-6 on it is "Shit hot" anyway but this? This is beyond art! You have my full attention. Ummm... One silly question? How the hell do you keep them all straight?

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Thanks all for confirming that I've possibly gone a bit overboard with this project.

I have done multiple builds before, (The Battle of Britain movie stars series) but this is the largest and most intense.

As to keeping track of each version; as the builds progress there are more custom fit,as well as version specific components. I have begun to mark the parts as they are fabricated, so far this has been working well enough.
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Just want to commend you for taking on this huge task. Your work on the intakes brings back some familiar memories. I too had multiple sets of intakes and deciding which set to use was difficult because none of the sets were perfect yet they all possessed some positive features. Although I ultimately went with the Cutting Edge set, the intake opening is undersized even though the ducting seems to be okay. I probably would have used the Seamless Suckers set if not for the soft finish and what appears to be oversized fans. I know it's too late now and I would have mentioned it earlier but I just received access to post this past weekend. Earlier you posted engine fan diameter at 38 in so I checked a Navair tech pub and max engine diameter is stated at just over 31 in. Not saying you're wrong but I wanted to let u know what's in the manual. Continue with this great build as i'm really enjoying it.

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Great work Since 99% of the population has no idea what kind of work goes into something like this - you ought to consider putting something like this progress thread with the finished kits. Maybe it'll be appreciated.

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Outstanding progress! When you're done, you will have completed more models than I have in three years....
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